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| how accurate is nodedb and what is it, lot of new people here, inform all of meeting formats, welcome to join us afterwards to pick our brains | How accurate is nodedb and what is it, lot of new people here, inform all of meeting formats, welcome to join us afterwards to pick our brains |
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| smallest bureau with longest name, seen many generations of tech go through, a legal policy wonk by trade, been a wireline guy in my career, riding the wave, showing what can happen when the public interest is served, missing the social, economic and cultural opportunities, sky dayton-he's one of many who are locking up spectrum to repackage it and resell to the public, better known as commercial missionaries, get your nodes out there, educate the public, make it clear that you don't have to lose your shirt to get hooked up, reminded of cable access days (at&t), the converged sector of cable tv-telecommunications, these large companies that were supposed to compete with eachother that hatched these smaller companies that were supposed to compete with eachother collapsed, we are a decentralizing force, doing grassroots work is essential, made funny crack about astroturf yeah okay you had to be there, cannot look to the fcc nor to the government, the work in evangelizing is a huge endeavor, check city of portland website, look for cable and you find the cable office, give david soloos props, we look to the very active long beach california community, a video recording of guest speaker is available from dat | smallest bureau with longest name, seen many generations of tech go through, a legal policy wonk by trade, been a wireline guy in my career, riding the wave, showing what can happen when the public interest is served, missing the social, economic and cultural opportunities, sky dayton-he's one of many who are locking up spectrum to repackage it and resell to the public, better known as commercial missionaries, get your nodes out there, educate the public, make it clear that you don't have to lose your shirt to get hooked up, reminded of cable access days (at&t), the converged sector of cable tv-telecommunications, these large companies that were supposed to compete with eachother that hatched these smaller companies that were supposed to compete with eachother collapsed, we are a decentralizing force, doing grassroots work is essential, made funny crack about astroturf yeah okay you had to be there, cannot look to the fcc nor to the government, the work in evangelizing is a huge endeavor, check city of portland website, look for cable and you find the cable office, give david soloos props, we look to the very active long beach california community, a video recording of guest speaker is available from dat. |
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| 1. status of financials, using paypal but nothing in it now, we have a bank account now approximately $500, we were founded in november 2000, august/september 2002 became an oregon non-profit, obtained 5013c status, we'll find out in 4-6 weeks from irs, we have no full time employees so we need to raise funds, buy t-shirts and seek donations, that's the non-profit update, financials are available for viewing | AdamShand |
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| 2. why is ptp around? what we accomplish? sometimes when we work on it we're not always aware of our contributions, good to know the city is aware of us | 1. status of financials, using paypal but nothing in it now, we have a bank account now approximately $500, we were founded in november 2000, august/september 2002 became an oregon non-profit, obtained 5013c status, we'll find out in 4-6 weeks from irs, we have no full time employees so we need to raise funds, buy t-shirts and seek donations, that's the non-profit update, financials are available for viewing |
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| 3. adam traveled extensively the past few months, went to england-new zealand-australia, they've heard of ptp, community wireless groups in greece are going nuts, the difference with the states is that these countries can actually make something better, wireless group in netherlands is considered the biggest most comprehensive community wifi network in the world, they use a combination of oadb, os--, automated bill system via boxes, they work with an extensive number of local community groups, people are coming to them, echoed closely with work from the community and the technical aspects will take care of itself, we will succeed when we get other community groups to join-build-expand, it is the people and the locations that you have access to that makes the difference | * why is ptp around? what we accomplish? sometimes when we work on it we're not always aware of our contributions, good to know the city is aware of us |
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| check out the worldwide community here [http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/WirelessCommunities] |
* adam traveled extensively the past few months, went to england, europe, new zealand and australia, they've heard of ptp, community wireless groups in greece and spain are going nuts, part of the difference between there and the states is that these countries telecom structure isn't so hot and so they are motivated to build something which is technically better (as opposed to in the states where we "just" want more equality and freedom with our telecommunications). * there is a wireless group in netherlands called WirelessLeiden which is most advanced community wifi network in the world, they use a combination of AODV (See AdhocRouting) and OSPF. their advice is work with local community groups and the tech will follow from there. we will succeed when we get other community groups to join-build-expand, it is the people and the locations that you have access to that makes the difference * check out the [http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/WirelessCommunities worldwide community] here. |
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| 1. t-shirts on sale $5 contact launi, if you have questions feel free to raise your hand | 1. t-shirts on sale $5 contact launi, if you have questions feel free to raise your hand |
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| 2. talk about itec, last year we did a couple events, orcon-took ptp van to orcon, they wanted us to provide internet access and wifi cafe, kgon tower shoot to the van antenna, actually provided internet access, learned about equip protocols to use in this site specific context, kgon antenna still up there, winfield has an arrangement with kgon, generated $300 for ptp from van rental | * talk about itec, last year we did a couple events, orcon-took ptp van to orcon, they wanted us to provide internet access and wifi cafe, kgon tower shoot to the van antenna, actually provided internet access, learned about equip protocols to use in this site specific context, kgon antenna still up there, winfield has an arrangement with kgon, generated $300 for ptp from van rental |
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| 3. recently participated in itec, first convention that i put together, our theme and booth was grunge style, as it turned out we were swamped, all of us were tied up talking to someone, we had a lot of people inspired by us, glad to resolve the issue with tmobile, got a lot of contacts from itec, many requests to help setup a node | * recently participated in itec, first convention that i put together, our theme and booth was grunge style, as it turned out we were swamped, all of us were tied up talking to someone, we had a lot of people inspired by us, glad to resolve the issue with tmobile, got a lot of contacts from itec, many requests to help setup a node |
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| 1. some thanks to don and other ops team members, pioneer square node gets most attention and use, namely by journalists of note | 1. some thanks to DonPark and other SpecialOps team members, PioneerSquare node gets most attention and use, namely by journalists of note |
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| 2. pioneer square hardware has been through some hard times, swapped hd twice, installed again, its an embedded linux system, sokris boxes have good prices | * PioneerSquare hardware has been through some hard times, swapped hd twice, installed again, its an embedded linux system, soekris boxes have good prices |
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| 3. statistics of the network question, someone wanted to know usage statistics | * statistics of the network question, someone wanted to know usage statistics |
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| 1. how much bandwidth shared, has two t1s feed their corporate net, we use a portion of their bandwidth, rate limit ourselves to 384k downstream | 1. how much bandwidth shared, has two t1s feed their corporate net, we use a portion of their bandwidth, rate limit ourselves to 384k downstream |
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| a. come within range |
a. come within range * dhcp * open web browser * directs to captive portal on our box's web server * update rules and allows traffic out |
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| b. dhcp | * no hard limit to individual users, access points typically 10-100 simultaneous connections, there is no hard limit noted on hardware specs its all marketing bs, our hard limit for ptp is 150 |
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| c. open web browser | * question-do you have a sense of usage patterns like new regular users, answer-haven't done any data mining, privacy concerns with statistical analysis |
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| d. directs to captive portal on our box's web server | * transmission power question to be answered after meeting |
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| e. update rules and allows traffic out | * what exactly is community wireless network-wifi? is it for free, why are ap connections free, does money have anything to do with it, we looked to open source software license frameworks |
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| 2. no hard limit to individual users, access points typically 10-100 simultaneous connections, there is no hard limit noted on hardware specs its all marketing bs, our hard limit for ptp is 150 | * adam and group of friends started a manifesto, what are the characteristics of our organization, wireless commons evangelizes need for a commerce platform over a network which stays open and available for anyone to use, check out picopeer[http://www.picopeer.net/wiki] and wirelesscommons [http://www.wirelesscommons.org] |
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| 3. question-do you have a sense of usage patterns like new regular users, answer-haven't done any data mining, privacy concerns with statistical analysis | * there was a wireless conference in berlin, beginnings of a pseudo legal document for traffic routing much like the gpl model for source code |
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| 4. transmission power question to be answered after meeting | * is TomHiggins here?, tom had a NewbieWorkshop at his house-discussed building antennas and general tech help |
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| 5. what exactly is community wireless network-wifi? is it for free, why are ap connections free, does money have anything to do with it, we looked to open source software license frameworks | * organization issues to be discussed, our first annual BoardMeeting in december, at meeting we felt despair and frustrated with work we have or have not done, however we had a good healthy rant, good news now we have more projects to do, i see 2003 a transition year for running a NonProfit and the transition of hotspots to building a network (ManSig) |
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| 6. adam and group of friends started a manifesto, what are the characteristics of our organization, wireless commons evangelizes need for a commerce platform over a network which stays open and available for anyone to use, check out picopeer[http://www.picopeer.net/wiki] and wirelesscommons [http://www.wirelesscommons.org] | * like to see embedded wireless systems used more often, try to connect all the hotspots to actually build a network, its a big project we need you, who do you know and what can you do, that's an interesting and necessary part of our efforts |
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| 7. there was a wireless conference in berlin, beginnings of a pseudo legal document for traffic routing much like the gpl model for source code | * transparency issues need to be addressed, decisions resulted in multiple mailing lists, private mailing lists becoming exclusive, board decided to make more transparent, now the admin list will be open, ops list will be open as well, ops list stays open to prevent shortcutting to individuals, ops archives opened although some parts are sensitive, announce list will be used more often |
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| 8. is tom higgins here?, tom had a newbie workshop at his house-discussed building antennas and general tech help | * ptp is a membership org currently the only members are the board, required by law to track members, so currently we track board only, we will develop membership policies |
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9. organization issues to be discussed, our first annual board meeting in december, at meeting we felt despair and frustrated with work we have or have not done, however we had a good healthy rant, good news now we have more projects to do, i see 2003 a transition year for running a non-profit and the transition of hotspots to building a network (man) 10. like to see embedded wireless systems used more often, try to connect all the hotspots to actually build a network, its a big project we need you, who do you know and what can you do, that's an interesting and necessary part of our efforts 11. transparency issues need to be addressed, decisions resulted in multiple mailing lists, private mailing lists becoming exclusive, board decided to make more transparent, now the admin list will be open, ops list will be open as well, ops list stays open to prevent shortcutting to individuals, ops archives opened although some parts are sensitive, announce list will be used more often 12. ptp is a membership org currently the only members are the board, required by law to track members, so currently we track board only, we will develop membership policies 13. ptp really needs office space, ptp individuals currently paying out of pocket, office space near downtown preferably |
* ptp really needs office space, ptp individuals currently paying out of pocket, office space near downtown preferably |
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| a. by running a node |
a. by running a node * a fully branded ptp node * ssid to www.personaltelco.net * certain more detailed technical reqs to be a node * can be a repeater node (a method to avoid providing internet access) * honorary members can qualify that are not able to run a node for residential reasons and can be granted membership as a thank you * paid membership discussed but no real agreement if good or bad but a good way to raise funds |
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| b. a fully branded ptp node | AdamShand |
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| c. ssid to www.personaltelco.net | 1. final thing to say, ptp has been a meritocracy up to this point, if someone does it well they usually own the project largely, if you want to become a board member we accepting nominations in august, septbember board meeting decided by advisory board, side note board of directors are liable and responsible for execution of policies, advisory board provides neutral guidance, one annual meeting required |
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| d. certain more detailed technical reqs to be a node | * everytime we discuss a business opp a commercial provider beats us to it, two bars currently interested, a property developer interested in us with possible roof access, one lake oswego property interested, we have tread c to carefully with volunteer labor |
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e. can be a repeater node (a method to avoid providing internet access) f. honorary members can qualify that are not able to run a node for residential reasons and can be granted membership as a thank you g. paid membership discussed but no real agreement if good or bad but a good way to raise funds adam 1. final thing to say, ptp has been a meritocracy up to this point, if someone does it well they usually own the project largely, if you want to become a board member we accepting nominations in august, septbember board meeting decided by advisory board, side note board of directors are liable and responsible for execution of policies, advisory board provides neutral guidance, one annual meeting required 2. everytime we discuss a business opp a commercial provider beats us to it, two bars currently interested, a property developer interested in us with possible roof access, one lake oswego property interested, we have tread c to carefully with volunteer labor nigel |
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| glad to hear ops list open, chilling effect on speech censors and openness | glad to hear ops list open, but will it have a chilling effect on free ops speach? |
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| 1. who here has actually used a node? hands up, thanks to dan for the monthly meeting node, tech talk on s-boxes later | 1. who here has actually used a node? hands up, thanks to dan for the monthly meeting node, tech talk on s-boxes later |
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| 2. we had dreams of creating a wide network, like connecting here and going out the wireless network to launi's node, more interesting things can happen not relying on the internet for content | * we had dreams of creating a wide network, like connecting here and going out the wireless network to launi's node, more interesting things can happen not relying on the internet for content |
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| 3. 802.11b can't talk to another ap, we're stuck with 802.11b | * ["802.11b"] can't talk to another ap, we're stuck with 802.11b |
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| 4. we wanted an upgradeable configurable platform to allow more flexible routing solutions, sokris boxes offers an embedded platform and has no moving parts and runs linux so ultimately configurable small configurable quiet more expensive $300 however its still a good thing, standardized images and boxes good, manage this one device and cuts effort redundancy, many other wifi groups are using the sokris box, would like to see dev of installation cds detects os and autoinstalls | * we wanted an upgradeable configurable platform to allow more flexible routing solutions, sokris boxes offers an embedded platform and has no moving parts and runs linux so ultimately configurable small configurable quiet more expensive $300 however its still a good thing, standardized images and boxes good, manage this one device and cuts effort redundancy, many other wifi groups are using the sokris box, would like to see dev of installation cds detects os and autoinstalls |
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2. we have used nodedb for mapping software, the author announced that he will open source it, anticipating its release [http://www.nodedb.com] |
* we have used NodeDb for MappingSoftware, the author announced that he will open source it, anticipating its release [http://www.nodedb.com] |
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| past monthly meeting notes here [http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/MonthlyMeeting] | past monthly MeetingNotes are available |
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PTP MONTHLY MEETING RAW NOTES
JANUARY 29, 2003
How accurate is nodedb and what is it, lot of new people here, inform all of meeting formats, welcome to join us afterwards to pick our brains
add wifi to your cafe and business will increase
introductions > David olson, bureau director, office of cable communications and franchise management [http://www.cable.ci.portland.or.us]
smallest bureau with longest name, seen many generations of tech go through, a legal policy wonk by trade, been a wireline guy in my career, riding the wave, showing what can happen when the public interest is served, missing the social, economic and cultural opportunities, sky dayton-he's one of many who are locking up spectrum to repackage it and resell to the public, better known as commercial missionaries, get your nodes out there, educate the public, make it clear that you don't have to lose your shirt to get hooked up, reminded of cable access days (at&t), the converged sector of cable tv-telecommunications, these large companies that were supposed to compete with eachother that hatched these smaller companies that were supposed to compete with eachother collapsed, we are a decentralizing force, doing grassroots work is essential, made funny crack about astroturf yeah okay you had to be there, cannot look to the fcc nor to the government, the work in evangelizing is a huge endeavor, check city of portland website, look for cable and you find the cable office, give david soloos props, we look to the very active long beach california community, a video recording of guest speaker is available from dat.
YOU CAN FIND AN AUDIO RECORDING OF THE MEETING HERE
- status of financials, using paypal but nothing in it now, we have a bank account now approximately $500, we were founded in november 2000, august/september 2002 became an oregon non-profit, obtained 5013c status, we'll find out in 4-6 weeks from irs, we have no full time employees so we need to raise funds, buy t-shirts and seek donations, that's the non-profit update, financials are available for viewing
- why is ptp around? what we accomplish? sometimes when we work on it we're not always aware of our contributions, good to know the city is aware of us
- adam traveled extensively the past few months, went to england, europe, new zealand and australia, they've heard of ptp, community wireless groups in greece and spain are going nuts, part of the difference between there and the states is that these countries telecom structure isn't so hot and so they are motivated to build something which is technically better (as opposed to in the states where we "just" want more equality and freedom with our telecommunications).
there is a wireless group in netherlands called WirelessLeiden which is most advanced community wifi network in the world, they use a combination of AODV (See AdhocRouting) and OSPF. their advice is work with local community groups and the tech will follow from there. we will succeed when we get other community groups to join-build-expand, it is the people and the locations that you have access to that makes the difference
check out the [http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/WirelessCommunities worldwide community] here.
- t-shirts on sale $5 contact launi, if you have questions feel free to raise your hand
- talk about itec, last year we did a couple events, orcon-took ptp van to orcon, they wanted us to provide internet access and wifi cafe, kgon tower shoot to the van antenna, actually provided internet access, learned about equip protocols to use in this site specific context, kgon antenna still up there, winfield has an arrangement with kgon, generated $300 for ptp from van rental
- recently participated in itec, first convention that i put together, our theme and booth was grunge style, as it turned out we were swamped, all of us were tied up talking to someone, we had a lot of people inspired by us, glad to resolve the issue with tmobile, got a lot of contacts from itec, many requests to help setup a node
at itec the nytimes article was posted which included a ptp member posing in the park blocks, sam laminated article on that itec day at the booth, that was classic timing
core of your booth doesn't necessitate expected activity of booth, we spread the word, thanks for your support
some thanks to DonPark and other SpecialOps team members, PioneerSquare node gets most attention and use, namely by journalists of note
PioneerSquare hardware has been through some hard times, swapped hd twice, installed again, its an embedded linux system, soekris boxes have good prices
- statistics of the network question, someone wanted to know usage statistics
we have data from a year ago, 17 authorizations per day average
- how much bandwidth shared, has two t1s feed their corporate net, we use a portion of their bandwidth, rate limit ourselves to 384k downstream
- come within range
- dhcp
- open web browser
- directs to captive portal on our box's web server
- update rules and allows traffic out
- no hard limit to individual users, access points typically 10-100 simultaneous connections, there is no hard limit noted on hardware specs its all marketing bs, our hard limit for ptp is 150
- question-do you have a sense of usage patterns like new regular users, answer-haven't done any data mining, privacy concerns with statistical analysis
- transmission power question to be answered after meeting
- what exactly is community wireless network-wifi? is it for free, why are ap connections free, does money have anything to do with it, we looked to open source software license frameworks
adam and group of friends started a manifesto, what are the characteristics of our organization, wireless commons evangelizes need for a commerce platform over a network which stays open and available for anyone to use, check out picopeer[http://www.picopeer.net/wiki] and wirelesscommons [http://www.wirelesscommons.org]
- there was a wireless conference in berlin, beginnings of a pseudo legal document for traffic routing much like the gpl model for source code
is TomHiggins here?, tom had a NewbieWorkshop at his house-discussed building antennas and general tech help
organization issues to be discussed, our first annual BoardMeeting in december, at meeting we felt despair and frustrated with work we have or have not done, however we had a good healthy rant, good news now we have more projects to do, i see 2003 a transition year for running a NonProfit and the transition of hotspots to building a network (ManSig)
- like to see embedded wireless systems used more often, try to connect all the hotspots to actually build a network, its a big project we need you, who do you know and what can you do, that's an interesting and necessary part of our efforts
- transparency issues need to be addressed, decisions resulted in multiple mailing lists, private mailing lists becoming exclusive, board decided to make more transparent, now the admin list will be open, ops list will be open as well, ops list stays open to prevent shortcutting to individuals, ops archives opened although some parts are sensitive, announce list will be used more often
- ptp is a membership org currently the only members are the board, required by law to track members, so currently we track board only, we will develop membership policies
- ptp really needs office space, ptp individuals currently paying out of pocket, office space near downtown preferably
member comment
galleria could be available
member comment
pmug.org has an office in the galleria, willing to help in some way
what does it take to be a member?
what are we proposing to become a member?
- by running a node
- a fully branded ptp node
- ssid to www.personaltelco.net
- certain more detailed technical reqs to be a node
- can be a repeater node (a method to avoid providing internet access)
- honorary members can qualify that are not able to run a node for residential reasons and can be granted membership as a thank you
- paid membership discussed but no real agreement if good or bad but a good way to raise funds
- final thing to say, ptp has been a meritocracy up to this point, if someone does it well they usually own the project largely, if you want to become a board member we accepting nominations in august, septbember board meeting decided by advisory board, side note board of directors are liable and responsible for execution of policies, advisory board provides neutral guidance, one annual meeting required
- everytime we discuss a business opp a commercial provider beats us to it, two bars currently interested, a property developer interested in us with possible roof access, one lake oswego property interested, we have tread c to carefully with volunteer labor
typically if this is a cafe its the first person through door becomes the defacto provider, we have to be circumspect about our involvements
member comment
glad to hear ops list open, but will it have a chilling effect on free ops speach?
discussion of new nodes on board list only, have to be careful with sensitive business information, setting up trouble ticket system in accordance with opened lists
don't leave it up ops team to help and instruct others, you do the work and then ask for assistance after
kicker is that giving away free internet access, regardless of the fact that a cafe is offering, john smith is going to think the cafe owner will know how to fix it, disadvantage is that we can't fully support installations properly, value added service for cafes, possible better wording community wifi access, never known to make a deal by stating that its community access, triage address for tech support
encourage people to use the main list, if question goes answered then the issue can escalate to one on one instruction
- who here has actually used a node? hands up, thanks to dan for the monthly meeting node, tech talk on s-boxes later
- we had dreams of creating a wide network, like connecting here and going out the wireless network to launi's node, more interesting things can happen not relying on the internet for content
- ["802.11b"] can't talk to another ap, we're stuck with 802.11b
- we wanted an upgradeable configurable platform to allow more flexible routing solutions, sokris boxes offers an embedded platform and has no moving parts and runs linux so ultimately configurable small configurable quiet more expensive $300 however its still a good thing, standardized images and boxes good, manage this one device and cuts effort redundancy, many other wifi groups are using the sokris box, would like to see dev of installation cds detects os and autoinstalls
802.16a recently approved by ieee [http://www.ieee802.org]
- we are several years away from 802.16a
we have used NodeDb for MappingSoftware, the author announced that he will open source it, anticipating its release [http://www.nodedb.com]
past monthly MeetingNotes are available
stay tuned for next monthly meeting announcement
diy or send corrections to EugeneKeam
[Category Meeting Notes]